tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4905080602885676490.post5145906012181767488..comments2024-03-27T20:34:09.464+01:00Comments on zmkc: Youthful Enthusiasmzmkchttp://www.blogger.com/profile/08972549292961948240noreply@blogger.comBlogger5125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4905080602885676490.post-52395001660116652312011-05-30T09:05:15.281+02:002011-05-30T09:05:15.281+02:00I remember 'I must go down to the sea again...I remember 'I must go down to the sea again'. <br />I think the essential question is: do we perceive nationalism as without any redeeming features or can it act as a force for good at times? The current prevailing attitude seems to be 100 per cent against nationalism, but maybe that should be challenged.zmkchttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08972549292961948240noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4905080602885676490.post-65985953350508692042011-05-28T08:29:21.271+02:002011-05-28T08:29:21.271+02:00This a very interesting debate: I planned to blog ...This a very interesting debate: I planned to blog on the subject of 'national' poetry and why it is often a bit, err, 'other', but I never got round to it. (I should have apologised for mentioning poets and dictators in the same breath above, but my thesis is still in its infancy....) Schoolkids of my generation were often given Ted Hughes' poems as a replacemnt for Rudyard Kipling's, and those in towns generally considered them a total irrelevance as they'd never seen countryside or proper animals. I think zedders is right about incomers trying harder - I rather hope that many of the East Europeans currently working hard in my own country will stay there and mitigate the apathy somewhat.Gadjo Dilohttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08998278830936531990noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4905080602885676490.post-72956576288809812462011-05-28T02:13:21.969+02:002011-05-28T02:13:21.969+02:00When my stepmother was a child, she had to memoriz...When my stepmother was a child, she had to memorize a stanza of "The Midnight Ride of Paul Revere", and picked the longest. I do not remember ever being set a poem to memorize except in 10th grade, when it was "I Must Go Down to the Sea Again" by John Masefield--just the thing to resonate with boys at 5000 feet above sea level, equidistant between the oceans.<br /><br />I'm not sure what you'd have somebody memorize for a good patriotic poem in the US. "The Midnight Ride" has a good swinging rhythm but is not a great poem. Emerson's "Concord Hymn" perhaps stands up better as poetry.Georgehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14819154529261482038noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4905080602885676490.post-39023033640342315022011-05-27T07:04:58.163+02:002011-05-27T07:04:58.163+02:00I give the benefit of the doubt, in that I think t...I give the benefit of the doubt, in that I think the nationalism being expressed is really directed against the sense of having been suppressed under the Soviet yoke for so many years, rather than being about a desire to crush anyone, if that makes sense. I noticed that about Petőfi Sándor. Often, it seems to me, people who are not fully credentialled as citizens of their country feel more intensely about it. I saw Ian Hislop talk about how, as a child of an engineer who'd taken his family off to Hong Kong and other places to live while Hislop was young, he, Ian, had formed an ideal picture of Britain that he is now always trying to persuade it to live up to. Also the current Prime Minister of Australia did not arrive in our country until she was 8 and, like many in that position, has over-compensated with an accent stronger than any local could manage, presumably in order to fit in.zmkchttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08972549292961948240noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4905080602885676490.post-67106617352341249812011-05-27T06:15:13.007+02:002011-05-27T06:15:13.007+02:00Yes, I know what you mean. The winner of the recen...Yes, I know what you mean. The winner of the recent "Romanians Have Talent" (and they do, believe me) TV programme was an orphan lad who rapped about how Romanians should pull themselves together and make the best of themselves (or something like that). I didn't quite understand it, but apparantly it was very positive and quite affecting. Well done him. Then in the final he sang another rap but with a troup all waving Romanian flags behind him, with looked rather like a rally by the (irredentist) Greater Romania Party, and this Englishman was left in two minds. <br /><br />Interestingly, Petőfi Sándor was, like other nationalist icons - ahem, Hitler and Romania's own Codreanu, though these are unnecessarily extreme examples - not of the nationality for which he became a figurehead, being himself a Serb/Slovak.Gadjo Dilohttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08998278830936531990noreply@blogger.com